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Q1:
How did it feel, making another album against the backdrop
of 'Play' selling 10 million copies?
Moby: As far as, like, going to a studio and trying to make
a follow up to 'Play', which was such a successful record,
I probably should have felt a lot more pressure, but, to
be honest with you, I didn't really feel any pressure. I
mean, I didn't feel this pressure to come up with a record
that was going to sell better than 'Play' or to be better
than 'Play'. I guess the idea was just to go and make another
record, 'cause in some ways, I saw the success of 'Play'
being such an anomaly and most of the records I'd made up
until 'Play' sold in the realm of like 80 000 copies to 200
000 and then to suddenly have a record that sells 10 million
copies, I just assumed that the records I make in the future
will not sell 10 million copies and just be a lot less successful,
so as result I didn't feel like I had to sort of like 'one
up' myself.
Q2: Was there a point when the scale of the success
of 'Play' actually hit you and you realised what it meant?
M: When we first put out 'Play' in May of '99, our pie in
the sky goal was to sell 250 000 copies world wide and that
was like. That seemed like almost like an unattainable goal
and when we passed 250 000 copies, I was really happy, you
know. When we had sold 300 000 copies world wide, I thought
I had made this record that was incredibly successful and
then it just kept building and building. It was just the
strangest thing to be a part of. To put out a record and
have such low expectations for it and have it go on, not
just to be fairly successful, but to be, by most people's
standards, extremely successful and it was. every single
day after the release of 'Play' was a surprise for me, a
nice surprise and the success of it was just so strange,
because the music marketplace that 'Play' had been released
into seemed like it was a music marketplace that would ensure
that 'Play' would never be successful and the fact it went
on to be successful was just so bizarre.
Q3: Did you have a sense of vindication about your
success, because there have been times when people have
been sceptical about what you do?
M: I don't necessarily feel a sense of vindication about
the fact that 'Play' was so successful, more just a sense
of gratitude, like genuine surprise and gratitude. Because
the truth is, if I were a music journalist in 1997, I would
have written me off too. I mean, I don't blame anyone for
being dismissive of me or writing me off, because, you know,
a lot of the things I have done in my career kind of engendered
that, so that when 'Play' became successful, I didn't feel
this sense of like holy righteousness and vindication, like
I had been right all along and everyone else was wrong. I
kind of felt like, "Oh, what a nice surprise!"
Q4: In retrospect, what are your feelings regarding
the use of the music from 'Play' in advertising or film?
M: When we released 'Play', our expectations for its success
were so low that when people came to us and wanted to use
the music from 'Play' in TV shows or advertisements or movies
or whatever, it was so flattering that we said yes to everything,
because I kind of felt like the fat kid going to the school
dance and you go to the dance and expect to sit in the corner
and no-one's going to pay attention to you and suddenly people
are asking you to dance, so you say yes to everybody, because
it's so much more than you ever expected and with 'Play',
also when the record came out we weren't getting any radio
support or MTV support, so the only people who seemed interested
in it were people making advertisements and TV shows and
movies, so it was a way of exposing the music to people when
we didn't really have any other vehicles with which to expose
the music to people.
Q5: Following the commercial success of 'Play',
how do you feel about the old cliché of wealth being
corrosive to the soul? Do you find there's any truth in
that?
M: As far as wealth being corrosive to the soul, it might
be. I'm probably in a bad position to judge that. I know
that I don't really ever spend money. I mean, yeah, 'Play'
was successful and I made a lot of money from it, but I don't
spend any of it, because, and I hope this doesn't sound naïve
or disingenuous, but to spend money takes time and I mean
a lot of my friends who have a lot of money, their occupation
becomes spending their money and they're always going on
trips and buying cars or buying this or that or the other thing - and this might sound really simple, but I'd rather
spend my time making music and hanging out with my friends,
both of which are things that don't require a lot of money,
so I tend to put the money in the bank and just let it sit
there, because, I mean, when the touring for 'Play' ended,
I came back to New York and I was toying with the idea of
finding a bigger, fancier apartment, because it would be
nice to have a bigger and fancier apartment, but then I realised
that it would take so much time, looking for a place, finding,
renovating, moving, what have you, that it would be years
before I made another record and I see that happen to a lot
of people, like someone will have success, they make a lot
of money, then they spend a year spending all the money when
they should have spent that time making another record.
Q6: When you came to make '18' did you have a really
clear idea about what you wanted to do?
M: When I started making this new record, '18', to be honest
with you, I had no idea what I wanted the record to be like,
apart from like the most vague generalities - I wanted it
to be a warm record and I wanted to make. My goal as a musician
now is to make records that people can love, you know, records
that people can take into their lives and really, hopefully,
fall in love with and get a lot of use out of. I kind of
feel like in the past I went out of my way to be confrontational
at time and to make records that were difficult and challenging
and now I feel like if I want to be difficult, I can be difficult
in my own time. I'd rather make records that can be important
to people on a much more warm, human level.
Q7: Were you planning '18' while you were touring,
because you toured for two years pretty much beforehand?
M: On days off while we were on tour, I became a terrible
cliché of a touring musician and would sit in my hotel
room, playing guitar and writing songs, always aware in the
back of my mind that I looked like such a cliché,
you know, like the earnest musician sitting at the end of
his hotel bed, playing guitar and writing songs about how
difficult life is on the road and I wrote a lot of songs
on tour. Some of them were good, some were really mediocre,
so when the tour ended I already had 30 or 40 songs written
and then I wrote about, I guess, another 100 or so songs
as well.
Q8: After the release of 'Play', you were quoted
as saying you wanted to make an album in the spirit of
Bill Wi thers or Al Green meeting Massive Attack. Was that
still in your mind when you actually started to make it?
M: Over the last few years I developed this really strange
love for old Soul music and r'n'b from the 60s and the
70s and the 80s and when the tour for 'Play' ended, if I
had been allowed to make the record that I really wanted
to make right when the tour ended, I would have made basically
a sort of romantic, slow, r'n'b ballad record, but then
I realised, as time went on, that my musical interests were
a little broader than just Romantic Soul ballads, so there
are a few Romantic Soul ballads on the new record, but I
wanted to make something that was hopefully a little bit
more diverse. There are very few types of music that give
me greater satisfaction than a good Romantic Soul ballad.
Q9: Do you think the punk rock thing has gone forever?
You laughed at the success of 'Everything Is Wrong', you
made 'Animal Rights' and you said that was like a contrary
thing to do. Do you think that now you've abandoned that
kind of oppositional thing?
M: I think that, in many ways, at this point of my life,
I've given up the idea of making music that is aggressively
confrontational and part of that is the fact that I've learned
that, when it comes to music, I like just about everything,
so I don't feel the need to get in people's faces and say, "I
like punk rock and either agree or with me or disagree with
me," but here, you know, I've given up on the idea of
just confronting people like that. I'd rather make records
that I love, that other people can love. Who knows, I might.
I still write a lot of punk rock, I still play guitar all
the time. I just don't necessarily feel the need to put them
on records I'm making right now.
Q10: So the kind of stuff that you were listening
to that was feeding into this new record was old Soul and
r'n'b?
M: Yeah, well, when I was on tour for 'Play', pretty much
all I listened to was old Soul and r'n'b and some hip hop
and just warm, romantic black music from the 70s and 80s,
but the tour ended and I came back to New York and started
going out to bars and hanging out with friends and listening
to the radio and suddenly realising that I liked all these other . being reminded of the fact that I love House music,
being reminded of the fact that I love Heavy Metal and I
love Jazz and I love all these different things.
Q11: the album was recorded from February 2001 to
recently. What else was happening around that time?
M: Well, I started making this new record, '18', in February
of 2001 and so for about six and a half months I spent most
of my time here in my studio, just writing songs and sort
of fine-tuning them and then, just as I had all the songs
pretty much finished, September 11th happened and I live
quite close to the World Trade Center, so that was really
difficult, because my neighbourhood was shut down. There
were military, the army and National Guard was everywhere,
and it also. The world changed drastically on September 11th
and the way in which people invite art and music into their
lives changed quite a lot. Suddenly music that people might
have been interested in before September 11th, they might
not have been interested in after September 11th, so I suddenly
had this new litmus test to apply to the music that I was
writing. The one thing that I found really gratifying is
that a lot the songs I had written before September 11th
still felt warm and attractive to me after September 11th,
so the record that I've made, it's same record I would have
made even if we hadn't been attacked by terrorists, but it
made me happy that the record I've made still has a warmth
and a resonance in light of what happened on September 11th.
Q12: How much of the material on '18' was written
after September 11th?
M: On '18', you know all the songs on '18' were written
before September 11th. I think the only song that might have
been written after September 11th was the song 'We Are All
Made of Stars', the first single, but I think I actually
wrote it right, just a few days before the 11th, like the
beginning of September.
Q13: there is a wide range of musical styles on
'18'. Was that a deliberate decision when you set out to
make the record?
M: It's funny. Whenever I've made records, like, I made
a record in 1995 called 'Everything Is Wrong', that people,
when it was being reviewed, the reviews always said how extremely
eclectic it was and when I put out 'Play', a lot of the reviews
said the same thing, like it's got all these different styles.
From my perspective, I don't think that anything I've done
has ever been particularly eclectic. Like with this new record,
I think that it's stylistically the most cohesive record
I've ever made, so if, in fact, it is eclectic, I'm not aware
of it. I'm not saying it isn't eclectic, I'm just saying
that from my perspective. I don't. like the Beatles' 'White
Album', that's an eclectic record. The records I make, I
think, are lot more simple.
Q14: the new album deals with extreme emotions,
which is what you've always done. How do you get yourself
into the state of mind where you can produce that kind
of material, when you have to do it every day?
M: That's a really good question - how do I come into my
studio day after day and summon up the emotions to make really
emotional music? I don't know. A lot of times, like I can
be working on a really mournful piece of music and be in
a relatively happy state of mind. Likewise, I can be working
on a really happy piece of music and be in a very mournful
state of mind. A lot of it depends upon, I guess when. sounds.
It's a strange thing to say, but I guess throughout my life
I've been a very emotional person, so I know what it feels
like to feel euphoria, I know what it feels like to feel
great sorrow, so that's the litmus test that I apply to music
that I'm working on. Even if I'm sad and I'm making a happy
song, I still know when a happy song is effective and I think
that, at least from my perspective, the music I make. Obviously
some of the songs are quite mournful, some of the songs are
quite euphoric, but I tend to, from my perspective, just
think of them as being emotional, in the broadest possible
sense of the word. So when I'm working on a piece of music
I don't. I'm not thinking to myself, "How effective
is this as being a sad song?" Or, "How effective
is this as being a euphoric song?" I tend to think, "How
effective is this as just being an emotional piece of music?"
Q15: Is there a direct correlation between what's
going on in your life at the time and the way your music
evolves or is it more a question of drawing on the history
of the emotional experience?
M: I rarely write songs that are specifically about an event. The music that I make tends to be just more generally descriptive,
so if it's a sad song, it's not a sad song about one specific
thing, it's just a song that hopefully encapsulates the emotional
life that I've had up until that point.
Q16: In terms of putting this record together, did
you bring in any other people as players or at a production
level?
M: On a musical level and on a production level, I do everything
myself. I write the songs and play all the instruments and
do all the engineering and production. I've had a few guest
vocalists - I have a song with Sinéad O'Connor, a
song with MC Lyte and Angie Stone and then some other guest
vocalists, who I don't think anyone's ever heard of.
Q17: Do you ever consider the idea of working with other musicians?
M: I love the idea of musicians getting together and playing
music together and having that evolving dialectic, but at
the same time I love making music by myself and who knows,
maybe at some point in my life I'll involve other people
and create music in a more communal environment, but for
the last 15 years the majority of the music I've made has
just been me sitting alone in my studio writing music.
Q18: On '18' did you want to make less obvious use
of samples?
M: I think that on this record I might've, maybe on some
conscious or slightly subconscious level, made an effort
to move away from sampling field recordings, but at the same
time, a lot of the songs are still based around samples.
I mean of the 18 songs on the record, half of them at least
are based around sampled vocals and the reason for that is
the reason I've always used sampled vocals, is I just like
nice vocals, and whe ther it's vocal samples from 50 years
ago or whe ther it'svocal samples from quite recently, whe ther
it's me singing or somebody else singing, as much as I love
instrumental music, I really get great satisfaction out of
writing a song that's based around a beautiful vocal performance.
Q19: After the success of 'Play', you had a great
abundance of possibilities. Was having such huge resources
available to you a problem?
M: I think because I'm a fairly simple person, I know a
lot of people can get overwhelmed by having too many options,
but because I'm sort of a simpleton, I tend to not see all
the options I have. I tend to just focus on, like, in making
a record, I don't think of the thousands of singers I could
work with or the thousands of samples I could use or the
thousands of different ways a song could be mixed. I tend
to think, "Oh, I have this one vocal sample. Let me
write a simple song around it, " and I'll mix it until
it sounds nice, until it works well and then its done. A
lot of people, especially with contemporary recording technology,
do get really overwhelmed with all the options. In the old
days records were. To make a record you were documenting
a performance by a bunch of musicians and you couldn't control
that much. The variables were all contributed by the musicians
themselves in the context of that performance. So if you
recorded the musicians performing and you didn't like the
way the hi-hat sounded, you couldn't do anything about it.
Now, with technology, if you don't like the way the hi-hat
sounds, you can spend a month just working on a hi-hat sound
and I know a lot of musicians who do get caught in that trap.
I think that's one reason why it takes Trent Reznor such
a long time to make records, because he focuses on all this
minutiae, all these details, like he'll obsess over making
a kick drum sound perfect and I'm lazy. As long as a piece
of music sounds good to me and as long as it has that emotional
quality, I don't really care what the high hat sounds like
or the kick drums, as long as it feels right to me. That's
the only litmus test I really apply to music.
Q20: the album starts with 'We Are All Made Of Stars',
which is a kind of euphoric, an themic thing with guitars
and syn thesisers. How did that come about?
M: the. 'We Are All Made Of Stars' came about because I
basically finished the record. I had written all the songs
that I knew I wanted to have on the record and I spent a
couple of months fine-tuning all those songs. In making a
record, there's this process where I'll sit down and write
a bunch of songs and then figure out which songs I think
are OK and hopefully work on them and do the craftsmanship
stuff, which is fine-tuning and developing a song and I'd
gotten to the point where I thought they were all finished
and fine-tuned and I was about to start mixing them and I
thought to myself, "Why not just have fun in the studio
and just make music?" 'Cause you know sometimes I can
get a little too focused on the fact that this is work as
opposed to. I also love just coming in here and writing songs
and making music and I sat down one Sunday evening and just.
I wanted to write. I probably shouldn't tip my hand and give
away what was the motivation behind it. I wanted to write
a sort of New Wave song that reminded me of that Blur song,
'Girls and Boys', is that what it's called? "Girls who
like boys who like girls." So I sat down and 'We Are
All Made Of Stars', I guess it was written in about 5 minutes,
but it was originally supposed to be this very slightly clunky
New Wave song, in the vein of that Blur 'Girls and Boys'
song, and then all of a sudden it took on this whole other life and when I was making it, I didn't think that it was
going to make its way onto the record, but then I realised
it had this kind of naïve charm that I really liked.
Q21: In terms of when you are looking for samples,
what is the process? Do you have a library?
M: When it comes to sampling vocals, I tend to. which is
one reason why I never really know. I mean, legally, obviously
everything is taken care of, but I'll get a huge stack of
records and just go through and sample vocals and sample
vocals, then I'll hand the records off to my managers and
to my lawyer and they go off and clear everything, but I
never remember where the samples actually came from.
Q22: What are you looking for in a voice when you
are searching for a suitable sample?
M: If I'm looking for vocals, basically I'm just looking
for vocals that have a wonderful emotional quality and hopefully
an interesting or relevant lyrical quality and a great performance
or an interesting performance. One wonderful thing about
working with sampled vocals is they're all recorded in such
strange environments that when you sample the vocal you also
get the environment in which it was sampled, so you have
all these strange and disparate environments showing up on
one record, which I find kind of exciting.
Q23: Which vocalists feature on 'Jam For the Ladies'?
M: 'Jam For the Ladies', the male vocal is a guy called
Mic Geronimo, who is an obscure hip hop artist from New York,
and then I have MC Lyte and Angie Stone on it as well and
my goal with 'Jam For the Ladies' is. I wanted to have a
song that if I'm out at 2 or 3 in the morning, there's this
select group of songs that a DJ will play in a bar at 2 or
3 in the morning, like Aerosmith's 'Walk This Way' or a Prodigy
song or a Chemical Brothers song. Just once or twice in my
life, I want to have the song that gets played at 2 or 3
in the morning that, you know. you're in a bar, you're with
your friends, it'd be nice to hear one of your songs. That
was the idea behind 'Jam For the Ladies', just a sort of
like fun, slightly silly, funky hip hop track.
Q24: 'Sunday ( the Day Before My Birthday)', was
that really the day before your birthday? Was that a literal
title?
M: the song ' the Day Before My Birthday' wasn't written
any time around my birthday. My birthday is September 11th
and so the lyrics are about, well, the lyrics take on a sort
of. even though the song was written way before September
11th, in retrospect, I felt like the lyrics described the
day before my birthday quite well, so that's the genesis
of that title.
Q25: Does 'Sunday ( the Day Before My Birthday)'
feature a sampled vocal or a performance?
M: the vocals on ' the Day Before My Birthday' came from
a woman named Sylvia Robinson, who started Sugar Hill Records
and before she started Sugar Hill Records she was an artist
/ musician and she had a really successful record called
'Pillow Talk' and there was a song called 'Sunday Was A Bright
Day' or 'Sunday Was A Fine Day' and that's where I sampled
the vocals for ' the Day Before My Birthday'.
Q26: Are you ever surprised at how well the songs
featuring vocal samples turn out?
M: It's funny, when I listen back to music that I've made,
I never remember how it happened and I'll sit down in my
studio and it's this strange process where, and I don't want
to sound all New Age and crazy, but it's like I almost cease
to exist. I don't remember writing these songs. I remember
when they were done, but the actual process of writing them,
I don't remember what I was thinking when I was writing them. They just happen. I know I was here. I was sitting in this
chair, playing on the keyboard, but rarely, if ever, is there
a lot of conscious stuff going on. And I think that's one
of the reasons why I like working alone, as well, that I
can just get lost.
Q27: Can you tell us about the piece you were asked
to compose for the Olympics?
M: For the Olympics, it turns out I've had to write four
songs for the Olympics, so the Olympics theme I'm doing starts
with '18', then it goes to this two other pieces of music
and it'll end with a very up-tempo version of 'We Are All
Made Of Stars', but the song '18' was originally a piece
of music that I wrote a few years ago. I liked it, but I
didn't know what to do with it and then the people from the
Olympic committee called up and said, "Oh, we'd really
love you to write the music for the closing ceremonies of
the Olympics," and for some reason I thought of this
piece of music, so I dug it out and recycled it and worked
on it a little bit and came up with what I thought was like
a really touching instrumental piece of music.
Q28: In order to write the piece for the Olympics
did you have to visualise the event, because it was to
be used for the moment they extinguish the torch?
M: I don't how to pronounce this word - 'elegiac' - this
piece, '18', it's an elegy. It has. The extinguishing of the
flame at the end of the Olympics, has. it's a sort of wistful. There's a quality of celebration and there's a quality of
wistfulness to the end of the Olympic games as well, and
I thought that this piece of music kind of summed that up.
Q29: 'Harbour' is the song with vocals from Sinéad
O' Connor. How did you end up working with her?
M: the song 'Harbour' I actually wrote when I was 19, so
I wrote it 17 years ago and it's always just been floating
around. I'd wanted to find someone to sing it, but I never
could find the right person, I guess Sinéad O'Connor's
manager met my manager and they were talking and Sinéad's
manager said, "Oh, Sinéad likes Moby's music
and would love to do something with him," so for some
reason, I instantly thought of this song that I'd written
17 years ago and sent it to her and she did a really wonderful
job with it.
Q30: Did you meet Sinéad and work with her
on the track?
M: On '18', some of the songs, the vocals were recorded
here. Angie Stone, there's these two girls, Azure Ray, who
sang on a song called 'Great Escape' and a song 'At Least
We Tried' and all my vocals were recorded here, but Sinéad
O'Connor's vocals were recorded in London. We talked on the
phone quite a lot and MC Light recorded her vocals in Los
Angeles, so a lot of it's just convenience and whatever's
expedient. I think also Sinéad's not comfortable flying.
She's much more comfortable flying 45 minutes from Ireland
to London than 6 hours from Ireland to New York. I think
Sinéad O'Connor's amazing. And what a wonderful and
idiosyncratic and interesting public figure. I wish. I mean,
she could've had such an easy career, and the fact that she
sort of went out of her way to make things difficult, but
in a really interesting way. I find that really fascinating.
Q31: 'Great Escape' features another female vocalist.
Who is that?
M: the vocals are done by these two women, Orenda and Maria,
who are in a band called Azure Ray and they are from A thens,
Georgia and they sent a demo tape to my managers and my managers
then sent it to me and I fell in love with their voices,
soI asked them to sing that song.
Q32: 'Fireworks' seems to hark back to some of the
ambient minimalist instrumentals you've done previously.
Is that area of music still an interest to you?
M: When it comes to music, I tend to like everything. I
mean, I love minimalist instrumental atmospheric pieces of
music, I love full on songs, I really like everything, so
a song like 'Fireworks', I just thought it was a lovely two
and a half minute long piece of music that made a nice interlude
between two other songs and the title comes from one of my
favourite movies, which is a Takeshi Kitano movie called
'Fireworks', so the song itself isn't an homage to him, but
the title of the song is.
Q33: 'Extreme Ways' features one of the fullest
lyrics on the album. Could you tell us something about
this song?
M: Well, 'Extreme Ways' is fictionalised, but autobiographical
at the same time. I think a lot of times when I'm writing
songs and I'm writing lyrics, it tends to be like, I'll take
something I've experienced or something that I've experienced,
a lot of times and almost, not to sound like a grad student,
but create a sort of like meta-narrative, based on a bunch
of different experiences and where it's not literal, but
it's figuratively
descriptive. So a song like 'Extreme Ways' is a just a song about degeneracy
and debauchery and what motivates people to be degenerate and debauched and
what the consequences can be.
Q34: Can you tell us something about 'Sleep Alone'?
M: 'Sleep Alone' is that song that's going to be the strangest
one for me to talk about on the record, because the story
behind it is quite surreal, in a way. It was a song that
I wrote. I actually had to change the lyrics from the original
version I wrote to the final version, because it was a song
that I had written five days before September 11th and it
was written with the idea of these people who had just died
in a plane crash walking around lower Manhattan, looking
back into the places where they lived and the original chorus
was "At least we died together, holding hands, flying
through the sky," and, you know, my managers have a
hard time listening to it, because it always freaks them
out, especially if you listen to the original. I mean, I
don't want to say I have any Proustian or psychic abilities,
but if you listen to the original in light of what happened
five days after it was written, it's very disconcerting.
Q35: What about 'At Least We Tried'?
M: 'At Least We Tried' is. if I had a made an entire album
the week that I finished touring, every song would have sounded
like 'At Least We Tried', because all I was listening to
were these Romantic Soul ballads and. but of the Romantic
Soul ballads that I had written, I thought 'At Least We Tried'
was one of the more effective ones, and it's in that great
tradition of Teddy Prendergass' 'Love TKO' or the Manhattans'
'Kiss And Say Goodbye', like these Romantic Soul songs that
are about relationships ending. You have a lot of. In that
world of Romantic Soul there's a lot of songs about people
celebrating the love that they're having or being upset that
they're alone or wanting to be with someone, but there's
this select little genre of r'n'b break up songs and 'At
Least We Tried' was my attempt at writing an r'n'b break
up song. And in a weird way I think that 'At Least We Tried'
might be, as time goes on, the most iconic song off the record.
I have a feeling that's the song most people are going to
be putting on mix tapes to send to their ex-boyfriends and
ex-girlfriends.
Q36: Who sang the vocal on 'At Least We Tried'?
M: A guy named Freedom Bremner, a session singer from New
Jersey, so. and with 'At Least We Tried', I met this guy
Freedom, who's a great session singer and he came in and
I was like, "Oh, will you just try singing this song," so
I put a microphone in front of him and he sang it once and
it was perfect and then, in the great tradition of uptight
musicians like myself, I had him come back weeks later and
sing it like twenty times and we ended up just using the
original version, when I, you know, stuck a crummy microphone
in front of him and just said, "Oh, try singing this
song".
Q37: 'Look Back In' acts as a kind of musical interlude
on the album. Did you compose the piece with this specific
purpose in mind?
M: 'Look Back In' was very specifically put together as
an interlude piece between the song 'Harbour' and the song
'Rafters'. I guess when I'm constructing a record, I'm looking
for ways to make the record flow in hopefully a really satisfying
way and sometimes, if you have juxtapositions between songs
that are too abrupt, it doesn't contribute to the overall
nice quality of the record. So 'Look Back In' was a song
I'd written 9 or 10 months ago and I sort of truncated it
and made a condensed version that worked as a sort of interlude.
Q38: Towards the end of the album there are two
songs, ' the Rafters' and 'I'm Not Worried At All', which
seem to be a lot more joyful. Was that intentional?
M: Well, I have a couple of really dear friends that give
me a lot advice on the music that I make and both of them
had the same. My friends Kelly and Damian, they both had
the same piece of advice, which was, "You need to end
the record on a slightly happy note, because there's so many
mournful songs on the record. If you end the record on a
sad note people will just be killing themselves left and
right" (laughs) and I agreed with them. I like the idea
of a record that, stylistically and emotionally, just has
so many peaks and valleys, but I did like the idea of ending
the record on what is a sort of like gentle upbeat. I'd love
to leave people with a smile on their face, but maybe just
leaving people with a sense of like peace and calm, although,
I should probably keep this to myself, but ' the Rafters',
there's, at least from my perspective, there's a pun in the
title, because on one hand, rafters, you know, like in churches,
if someone's singing, they sing up to the rafters, you know,
their voice is so big it goes up to the top of the roof,
but also traditionally people hang themselves, they get hung
from rafters, so it's a little double entendre, to an extent.
Q39: Who was the vocalist on 'I'm Not Worried At
All'?
M: Yeah, the vocalist on 'I'm Not Worried At All' is the
same guy who sang 'Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad?', so that
sample, I know where it came from, it's this group called
the Shining Light Gospel Choir.
Q40: Do you think that the amount of different musical
influences on '18' make it a difficult album for the listener
to understand?
M: It might be kind of tragic that when I made this record,
I thought I was making a really warm, lovely, emotional record
and it would be tragic if, in fact, against all my best intentions
I'd made a record that people might find difficult. I think,
from my perspective, it's this very warm, cohesive, emotional
record. Most people. I think most people are a lot smarter
and more open minded than they are traditionally given credit
for. I mean, a record like 'Play', people really loved 'Play'
and 'Play' was a very eclectic record. I didn't intend for
it to be eclectic, but it goes from hip hop inspired tacks
to weird, quiet instrumentals and almost rock songs and what
have you, so with this new record, I don't know, I hope that
people like it and I hope that people don't feel too assaulted
by it, because my goal was the exact opposite, to make something
that was really warm and inviting.
Q41: Do you think that your life experiences have
made it possible for you to make particularly moving music?
M: I don't know what compels me to make music that is emotional
and moving. Um. I mean, certainly, whoever I happen to be
as a person and a musician is very much the product of my
genetic inheritance and upbringing and I don't think I have
had a particularly difficult life. I think most people have
had much more difficult lives than I have. You know, even
if there were times when I was very poor, that still didn't
feel difficult. I've always been able to eat and I've always
had a pillow to put my head on when I go to sleep, so I certainly
can't complain about anything I've experienced when I was
growing up.
Q42: Previous albums have come with statements,
essays on religion and animal rights. Is there going to
be anything similar on this one?
M: In the past when I made records I included essays, because
that was my only way of communicating my written thoughts
to people, but now I have my web site, moby.com, and I write
essays on it every day, so it feels a little strange if I'm
writing essays every single day for my web site to then include
essays in the record, so what I might do instead in the record
is maybe have one or two essays, but otherwise just direct
people to my web site. If they're interested, they can read
what I have to say there and also, I don't know, maybe this
is a product of just me getting older, but I feel so much
less strident and didactic about things. You know, when I
was younger, I really saw the world in these very simple
terms - good versus evil and right versus wrong - and I always
felt like I was right and everybody else was wrong. As I
get older, I just see the world as being so much more subtly
nuanced and complicated and it's really hard to write polemical
treaties when you see the world as being a very ambiguous
place.
Q43: Are you planning to tour this record as hard
as you did with 'Play'?
M: With 'Play', the reason the tour went on so long is because
we, and I hope this doesn't sound immodest, but the record
just kept doing better and better and better, so, like, performing
in London, for example. When 'Play' first came out, we played
a concert at the Scala, which didn't quite sell out. I think
the Scala holds like 600 and we had like 500 people there
and then the record started to pick up and then we played
a show at London Astoria and them we played a show at the
London Forum and then did some festivals and then came back
and played Wembley Arena and Brixton Academy back to back,
so the first show of the tour on 'Play' in London was for
500 people and the last was 24 000 people over two days and
that happened in so many places, where we just had to keep
going back, because the record just kept doing better, which
was wonderful. It was like beyond my wildest dreams as a
musician, but with touring for this record, I don't think
we're going to need. like, we played, throughout the course
of the 'Play' tour, we performed in London, I think, 7 times
and with this tour I don't think we're going to need to go
to every city 7 times, so I think the tour'll be a little
shorter.
Q44: Are you ready to go through the media treadmill
all over again?
M: When I was getting ready to release 'Animal Rights',
I went to the UK to do promo for it and they could only find
two journalists who wanted to talk to me - one was from the
Big Issue, but I think like the Big Issue in Birmingham and
the other was from like a student paper in Nottingham and
I know what's it like to make records that no one is interested
in and I know what it's like to make records and be met with
apathy from the media, so now that I'm in this position in
my life where people seem to actually be interested in talking
to me, I'm I can't complain, so I'm happy to go out and do
as many interviews as they want me to do.
Q45: Do you think we're in a good phase for pop
music at the moment or do you think it's harder for people
who are unorthodox, like you are thought to be?
M: It's certainly, like, if you look at the music charts.
I mean, the UK is quite different. The UK has a much healthier
commercial music scene than any other country. You can have
records successful in the UK that aren't successful anywhere
else. I mean, a band like the Manic Street Preachers, they
do wonderfully in the UK and they can't get arrested anywhere
else, because radio in the UK is much more open, much more
progressive, the music press there is much more open, much
more progressive, so if we're talking about pop music in
the UK, from my perspective, it seems really healthy. Pop
music in the rest of the world, yeah, things are a little
bit grim. Especially, I mean, you look at charts from like
1971, go back 30 years and the charts were full of Creedence
Clearwater Revival, and Led Zeppelin and Sly and the Family
Stone and Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, and Bob Dylan and
stuff that was like records that sold really well, but they
were also wonderfully crafted, beautiful songs with great
political and cultural resonance and it's hard to look at
the pop charts in most countries and say that the music is
wonderfully crafted songs with great political and social
resonance.
Q46: Do you have total confidence that you are achieving
everything you want to achieve in life by working exclusively
within music?
M: Working in music, that's my life's work. There's a part
of me that would love to be better, more well-rounded or
more dilettantish, but at the same time, I'm not really good
at anything else. I'm not saying that I'm particularly good
at making music, but I know that I'm dreadful at doing a
lot of other things. If I were a plumber or if I were a carpenter,
I would be the least employed plumber or carpenter in the
world, because I would be disastrous at it, so I'm quite
comfortable just spending my life working on music, even
if it means there are long periods when no-one pays attention
to what I'm doing, that still. I mean, I understand a lot
of people really thrive in diversity and I admire that, like
I have some friends who can build a house or make a beautiful
painting or produce a film or fix a car - I don't know how
to do any of that. It would be nice to know how to do that,but
time spent learning how to fix a car is time taken away from
making music.
Q47: Is there anything that you particularly want
to pursue outside of music?
M: the only career aspiration I have apart from making music
is architecture, but it's so complicated that I know I'll
never do it, because it would mean going back to school for
a long time and developing ma thematic skills that I just
don't have.
Q48: Do you have a long term plan - a long term
Moby plan?
M: My long term plan is to make music and maybe tour a little
bit and at some point I would love to have a house with nearby
running water, with a lot of dogs. I mean, I do have this
sort of pie in the sky fantasy of waking up and going swimming
and running around with a bunch of dogs and making dinner
with friends and you know falling asleep next to a woman
that I'm in love with. That's. you know, maybe at some point.
If it never happens, it never happens. I certainly won't
be able to complain, but it would be nice.
Q49: Why do you think you've collaborated with so
many diverse artists over the course of your career?
M: When I was growing up I had so many musical heroes and
the weird thing is, in the last couple of years, I've ended
performing with so many of them. I played guitar for David
Bowie at Carnegie Hall, while he sang 'Heroes' and I sang
'New Dawn Fades', the Joy Division song with Joy Division,
you know. I played guitar for Bono, I played guitar for Michael
Stipe, I played guitar with Mission of Burma. When I was
growing up, these were my heroes and to suddenly. like Bowie
was definitely the most amazing experience of like playing
guitar with someone who was my hero, 'cause I bought - no
pun intended - I bought 'Heroes', his album in 1977 or 78,
whenever it was made, and I loved it and then suddenly, in
2001, to find myself on stage introducing David Bowie and
then playing guitar with him during 'Heroes', that's pretty
amazing. I mean, I think, from my perspective, I honestly
think he was the greatest musician of the twentieth century.
I can't think of anyone else who even really comes close,
so, but it's just so interesting having been. To suddenly
find yourself on stage playing with your heroes and it's
disconcerting, but really gratifying.
Q50: Last question - so what would be better: an
appearance in South Park or selling more than 10 million
albums?
M: If given the choice between being in South Park and selling
ten million albums, I would have to choose ten million albums,
but being in South Park, especially if they could work me
into the movie. If they make South Park 2 and they need me
to do anything, you know, if they want to stick me with exploding
potatoes and, you know, have me ripped apart by wild dogs,
fine. I would do it in a second. The South Park movie, I
think, is one of the most wonderful things I've ever seen. |